pete enns universalism

Ive spent a lot of time thinking about subjectivity, hermeneutics, revelation, and Jesus as mediator (in the sense that Jesus is the medium through which God is known does the Spirit now occupy that space? From this, I have a question for you; isnt it also completely reasonable (and rational) to look at the fruits of other peoples experience to see that their belief and faith are grounded in the truth? And I would suggest this hypothetical is realized in all actuality within spiritual perception. A Review by Norman Geisler of Peter Enns's, Inspiration and Incarnation: Evangelicals and the Problem of the Old Testament (Grand Rapids . Failures in relationships abound, and there is no need to belabour this with current examples. 'The board voted 18-9 to suspend Enns, an Old Testament professor whose book created controversy on how to interpret the . How have we regressed so far in 56 years? As claimed, the Incarnation passed through our material and human existence. There are great books written by the likes of Brennan Manning on trusting God and there are great books written on eschatology (Jurgen Moltmann, N. T. Wright, etc) about Gods salvation extending from the ends of the earth. Talk of a vibrant Christian faith seems overblown. Knowing God is a life-long participation. There is none for 11 Peter, a writing a majority of critical scholarship places at some point in the 2nd century long after Peters death (Wikipedias page on it is a decent starting point showing the various arguments). What are your thoughts on passages like 1 John 5:13, which indicate explicitly that it is possible for a person to know with rational certainty whether or not there is a God and whether or not they can truly believe in Jesus being the Messiah. An Atheist that believes in God. I presume you are referring to Islam in your final sentence? God is just another word for magic. Simply, the method yields divergent knowings, perhaps even a different sin of certainty. This is why I read your blog, Pete! Theologian Peter Enns refuses to shy away from asking the larger questions about Christian faith. I suggest you read Richard Rohr. Many dont understand that the contentions among faiths are fought (and will be won in the end) not on the grounds of being right, but on the grounds of making the world right. As a Bible teacher at Eastern University and a producer of homeschool Bible curriculum, Dr. Enns through this book continues his destructive influence on the faith and biblical understanding of countless children and adults. Knowledge of God is described by terms like participation, longing, , immediacy.. @peteenns. Just trust in Him. Im still working on itof course. Thanks for this post. Love, compassion, empathy, etc. Treasures Old and NewSunday, December 30, 2018. After I became more of a questioner, and more curious about a lot of things I no longer experienced such manic-depression. The list of aspects offered doesnt quite get us to a means by which to assess exclusivity. apprehension uncluttered by thought Culturally, we tend to have a project-based approach toward church life. Does God exist? I get asked now and then, Pete, youre a reasonably intelligent guy, with a Ph.D. and everything. R'eyes via Compfight Peter Enns is the master at creating blog titles that are both clever and provocative. Another mans spiritual experience cannot be denied. And whether that link between what you perceive or experience and reality is as strong as you think. Methinks, if I loved him more, I should keep himI should keep myself, ratherat a more respectful distance. Thank you Joseph. God or not God? You are presuming that I am naive about other religions. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay. defying compelling verbal expression But nonetheless they witness them. Did you see the same thing I saw? Does it mean that same thing to you?. Try the works of John Hick, former Evangelical who became a fascinating philosopher of religion and sought a common transcendental basis for them all. What about more recent writings such as the Gettysburg Address? " The Bible - from back to front - is the story of God told from the limited point of view of real people living at a certain place and time. Maybe even online? Origen and universalism, in general, were condemned as unorthodox at the Fifth Ecumenical Council of Constantinople (A.D. 553) . To me it seems, the more beliefs correspond to reality, the better the organism is adapted to survive and reproduce. I like the fruit of this way of knowingeverything from electricity and medicine to electron-microscopesand radio telescopes. The reason many do not talk more about these issues are beyond me (I say that knowing that many do in fact talk about these tensions Pete is one of them). Eastern University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national and ethnic origin in its educational policies, admissions policies, scholarships, loan programs, athletic and other programs. In this episode of The Tentative Apologist Podcast we sit down with Dr. Peter Enns to explore a range of questions relating to the Bible, science and faith. Peter Enns, Ph.D. Peter Enns Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies 610-341-1491 McInnis 200B penns@eastern.edu Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. Professor; Executive Director, Roper Center for Public Opinion Research; Robert S. Harrison Director, Cornell Center for Social Sciences. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. Some people really hate what I say--and I've lost a couple of jobs because of my views. In The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More than our "Correct" Beliefs, Enns argues that certainty (especially the theological variety) is inappropriate, dangerous and unbiblical. However, as my 5th grade social studies book (circa ~1958) commented on Islam, Muslims converted North Africa at the edge of the sword. JFK probably did not comment much on his Catholicism because at that time there remained a significant amount of anti-Catholic bigotry in our country. Perhaps less than that, I would be more arrogant, less loving, poorer, and have no progeny. Yep. True mystics do experience God in a tangible manner that is more real than anything that could ever be experienced through the five senses although those senses may be secondarily affected. Tweets at @peteenns. Id be interested to know then what your thoughts are with the more broad, inclusive sense of evidence then. This is historically what the Church has always taught. Human faculties of conception, perception and learning, and attributes of volition, intuition and apprehension cannot catch sight of His Person or fathom the extent of His Might and Glory. Mitchel Modine is an Old Testament scholar who works at Asia-Pacific Nazarene Theological Seminary. Forced love . Hi, Reddit! So Im not really sure what your point is. But let us then continue this comparison to Buddhism. Peter Enns' latest book is written in praise of question marks, especially those that crowd our minds when God goes missing. And I learned about the history of all these relatively young fundamentalist Christian colleges founded in the 1920s like WTS, during the fndamentalist-modernist controversy. wouldnt it be more appropriate to say that its possibly an I witness account..the sin of certainty. It does though offer means to consider qualitative differences. How do you know these are HIS words? ". Most Evangelicals find themselves on that path when their evidence takes a beating and they retreat to the world of mystery. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? Given all this and more, my personal choice is simply to continue to acknowledge Gods blessings upon my life and therefore acknowledge God. Roman Catholics and conservative Protestants have much in common and face common enemies in terms of secular humanism and all of the other anti-Christian hate groups and religions of the world. Deities that the Christian faith does not hold to exist. You just need to go a little further, Peter. To conclude, I'd like to quote Enns one more time. How sure are you that those are eyewitness accounts. And it is worth noting that my list is subjective too. Honestly and looking ahead, my mind is more centered on the significance of the sixth extinction, climate change, the forth-coming dissipation of petroleum energy, a huge human population, limited supply of fresh water for all, and need for compassion for and collaboration with others to existentially address all this. The idea there is magic in the universe is ridiculous, childish, and completely impossible. You made some very good points. Though I certainly dont want to edge into Edwards post to restate it here. And now my 800 words are up. Christianity is already becoming irrelevant to the younger millennials. Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. You can experience a spiritual longing, connectedness, peace, transformation, serenity, boundless compassion, and so on. If there is still to be a link to truth there at all. There is a type of love that can only be experience I think by a parent for their child. So its great that God is guiding you and keeping you safe but yet not doing the same for kids with cancer etc. It certainly seems that way as we compare the experiences of people across faiths. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. But how is it that you still believe in God? The gathered Body of Christ? Im familiar with various concepts of God. With the exact same merit. And we can also look at those experiences, and see if there is an element of illusion about them. All this is to say, I am not ready to leave the hope and realism of modernity behind yet, but if I do it wont be atheism. Incarceration Nation To dig down a little deeper theologically, I can deeply understand the paradox of the Incarnation of not only a God-as-man, but in the form of a baby in a manager in Galilee in first century Palestine. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. St. Davids, PA 19087-3696 As is knowledge of Heavenly Father. There is no external mention of the writing until Origen in the 3rd century. First, note the way I phrased the staged questions above. If I have the experience of perceiving spiraling motion when looking upon a static optical illusion, you cannot deny that I have the experience of perceiving motion. When a faith fights the fight of certainty of an understanding the world as-is putting iron age as-is foundations against present-day as-is understandings, the battle is already conceded. Enns is a frequent contributor to journals and encyclopedias and is the author of several . Across religions, the evidences are the grapes and figs. In regards to ones intelligence, I am reading St Teresa of Avilas Interior Castle right now and in the first parts of it she refers to herself as stupid and if they (the nuns she is writing to) understand what she is saying, it is not herself that is speaking but it is God through her. Joyfully I can say that as a conservative Presbyterian, some of my closest friends are devout Roman Catholics. Israelite history; Old Testament and ancient Near East; Old Testament theology; biblical theology; wisdom literature; Second Temple Judaism and the New Testament. The universal and self-evident problem of death. He is also co-founder and chief . Maybe dramatically more so? It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. What I have noticed especially in connection with your point about knowing God outside of our default rationalism, Pete, is that both as a church and as individual Christians in the West, we find it difficult knowing how to spend time in silence, or in solitude, away from our faith projects or church systems. (Ive blogged on Benner several times, for examplehere. Tweets at @peteenns. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. If He was visible to the eye, and perceivable to the senses, He would have resembled the things that are visible and perceivable to the senses on account of their being compound and created and in that case He would no longer have remained a creator. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). But I also get that Christianity isnt really transforming the world through compassion essentially better than anything or anyone else. Rule out experience and youre forcing yourself into mysticism. Why? Agnostics cant figure it out. But does anyone really need to write a book to make explicit what every religious person implicitly practices in terms of maintaining their beliefs and holy practices? In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me.. Thanks for an honest perspective which does not offer more than can be proven. Religious conviction without evidence based knowledge is why there are so many religions, denominations, sects and cults and demonizations of one by the other. I'm an author and biblical scholar. So if you want to write a book that really speaks about accepting uncertainty you have not done so. If the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ does exist, watch out. Foreign Professionals in Babylon: Evidence from the Archive in the Palace of Nebuchadnezzar II Neo-Assyrian Texts from Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon: A Preliminary Report Cities and urban landscapes in the Ancient Near East and Egypt with special focus on the city of Babylon - with Paul Sinclair, Irmgard . One final question. Evidence used that way is a foundationalist dead end, but thats not the only way of interpreting Experience, of which scientific experiments are one kind. On the contrary, I have never been disappointed by God. April 2015 am Universal-museum Joanneum in Graz (Schild von Steier, Beiheft 8 / Forschungen zur geschichtlichen Landeskunde der Steiermark 79) Archologie in sterreich 1938 1945 Danner Salzburg. Some people really like what I say. Well that seems to me to be more of a way of guessing then? At the same time, I was taking philosophy and religion courses and was drawn to finding ways to explain my ongoing relationship/wrestling match with God-Jesus-Spirit. I have written on Peter Enns before on our blog (see the link in the analysis to Evans' book) but seeing his name again led me to look up Enns and I found he wrote a recent piece on his blog titled "How Can I Trust the Bible . Too much struggle is maladaptive. On another point, both in Johns writings and Peters writings there are statements of eye-witness testimonies. It just begs the question, which one? Bringing people together seems easier when their differences are not discussed. So please do not think I am trying to quantitize it in some scientific sense. And it would be wise to recognize that I think. Call it a transcendental trust like Thoreau had, or like John Hick in our own day. And there are also periods of painful disillusionment and depression that look like withdrawal symptoms that even Christians suffer after at least partially self-Inducing and sustaining a high on Jesus for years. Do you know many others like yourselves? Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. I also visited Westminster Seminary in my early 20s and purchased some books in the store there, caught a glimpse of Cornelius Van Til, and later I exchanged emails with Paul Seely on biblical cosmology, a WTS graduate. And look to see if theyre shared. ". Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes). Do you think JFK could have won with that campaign statement? I'm attaching my 6 page summary of Peter Enns' new book, Genesis for Normal People: Enns on Genesis.doc (55.5 KB) Dr. Enns attempts to simply explain for average Christians how many scholars read Genesis. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. Government, College of Arts and Sciences/Public Policy, Jeb E. Brooks School of Public Policy. prof at Westminster Seminary for his progressive evangelicalism, and has not identified himself as a universalist. He has taught courses at several other institutions including Harvard University, Fuller Theological Seminary, and Princeton Theological Seminary. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where "'the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.' He is also co-founder and chief data scientist at Verasight. 1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; As is our deference in religious spheres to authorities revelations. This way of knowing, too, is a pluralistic way of knowing and can be reflected upon both with and without special pleading. Nor does it mean we cannot say anything objective about them. How do you know more of what God prefers more than Franklin Graham or Mennonites? In this episode of The Bible for Normal People, Daniel Kirk joins Pete and Jared to explain the major themes in the book of Romans, why the Romans Road view of salvation is insufficient, and how a focus on God's righteousness through Jesus Christ shaped Paul's vision of harmony between Jews and Gentiles. Id suggest there are other qualitative characteristics too. We dont have the tools to give up what makes sense to us without putting up ideological fences and safety nets around everything. But, that we ourselves interact, relate, care, love is even more important. M.A. I think there are many different kinds of trust in God, not just the Christian God of the Bible. Abstrak Permasalahan dalam tulisan ini terletak pada isu doktrin eskatologi tentang kerajaan seribu tahun, khususnya dalam pandangan dispensasionalisme dengan covenant theology. Usually we treat eye-witness testimonies as valid proofs of an experience, especially when they corroborate key elements of the same story (granted one can misinterpret what their senses tell them). Got you. He has not permitted human mind to grasp the Essence of His Being **YET** He has not prevented them from realising His Presence. AMA. But you do know that you know because your knowing has a depth and immediacy to it that is never present in simply knowingabout thingseven merely knowing about God. One of the things about the Western way of knowing is that it isnt really a Western way of knowing. 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