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2. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Close by to where youd have your subway portal at Kings Highway is the Bay Ridge branch. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? This Fascinating Abandoned Train Station In Arizona Is A True Piece Of History. I outlined my plans for 2nd Ave in a previous post but one thing I only mentioned in passion was how Phase 4 could be achieved cheaper if it was connected to Nassau St after Chatham Sq (as in, 2nd Ave would not connect to Centre St by Bowery by to Nassau St by Chambers). That already will cost millions, possibly billions. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. This would be the beginning of the IND plan which would ultimately propose extending a branch of the 6th Ave Subway through Williamsburg and down Utica Ave. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). But thats how I see it. from Eastern Parkway to Flatbush Avenue, extending the #4 by four miles. The Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. BBGUN63. Abandoned Mineral . Off-road (Chicago style). Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. MTA Bus - B14/B17 - Eastern Pkwy & Utica Av. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. There is also sporadic 2 and 5 service during rush hours. Its got limitations now, sure. Also as Vanshookenraggen stated, the IND Utica Av Station will have to be teared up and relocated. The elevated structure would be built in such a way that future buildings would be built around and above the line. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. Diamond crossover tracks exist west (railroad north) of the station for northbound trains and east for southbound trains. Lets get it built! But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. Stations are going to be more expensive no matter what because so much more is expected of them now. I will say that the Utica stop spacing is fine; its not any wider than the Queens Boulevard local and it stops at every intersecting street with a frequent bus connection. Less light-blocking like 5 but vertical. While both the Eastern Parkway and Fulton Lines were designed for future Utica Ave expansion the Fulton Line was designed to have Utica as a separate line entirely while Eastern Parkway was designed to have Utica branch off. Well then what are we waiting for? The transit desert is along Utica Ave south of Eastern Parkway. If we build to IND station size (while making easily-removable platforms extensions that allow the platforms to be disabled accessible to IRT trains) wouldnt that allow the subway to easily expand capacity once they find the money to make an IND connection or just convert the IRT to the IND gauge? In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. Extending Utica north of Eastern Parkway should only ever be done if trains in Williamsburg are beyond capacity and a new East River crossing is needed. I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. The point is that anything involving using an extension of B Division is more complicated, for no reason, than just extending the IRT. That has what, a current limitation of 26 tph? Excellent nonetheless. The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. While there are arguments to be made for extending the Nostrand Ave Line south I would argue that with the addition of Utica Ave that demand would be reduced as riders coming from the east or southeast would take Utica over a bus to Nostrand. Got to be local? No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. 480-foot B locals are actually 31 feet shorter than IRT local trains yet have more room because theyre wider. and has a much less dominating effect. When you were envisioning your Montague Tunnel connection did you explore a Hanson Place route as an alternative? So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. Still, the terminal must be fixed so what is required is a short tunnel south that would allow a terminal yard of 4 tracks be built. are refurbished as well as adopted in new construction. Just skip it. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. In my futureNYCSubway plans over the years Ive always included Utica Ave in one form or another but one of the reasons I drew my NYC Subway Track Map was so I could see what I was really dealing with so we know what is really possible. And actually Flushing/Main might be up to 11th now depending on how much traffic SAS has pulled off of Lexington. And this angle within the station level might be improved if it were to be reworked for two tracks instead of four with no fresh excavation needed. In the Bronx the Grand Concourse Subway was designed to at least compete with the Jerome Ave elevated if not eventually replace it and in Brooklyn the Fulton St Subway was built to replace the Fulton El out to Queens with provisions built to allow a connection with the Jamaica Ave elevated. The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. But MTA really needs to build an extension down Utica because its very dense, very isolated, and very cheap to build. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. [24] It consists of ceramic tiles of the sun and moon on the platform walls. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. Have a design contest; results If connected to the Second Avenue subway I feel that could provide another East Side alternative for passengers and help relieve pressure from the IRT lines. I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Trains are one of the oldest forms of transportation out there, which means abandoned depots are scattered all across the country. Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. I would extend the (2)/(5) to Voorhies, with a possible skip-stop to speed up commutes.Otherwise, I agree that this is option MTA will opt for most. The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? Constructed in 1923, Union Station served the . 34 St- Penn Station. Then you can continue trains on into Brooklyn. Also if most people are going to midtown (which Id argue given the census data I show isnt the case) then there is nothing in the way of this with the new routing. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station was constructed as part of the Eastern Parkway Line. Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. Queens has the big unmet demand; its got the 12th and 25th busiest stations in the system as TERMINALS! Thank you. 1,2. Ok, I understand you so desperately want the Rogers Junction to be rebuilt. Top track level While this would leave said train with two terminals, Far Rockaway and Ozone Park, this would leave said train heavily congested, because most passengers want to go from Midtown to East New York or The Rockaways, not Midtown to Kings Plaza. I highly disagree with connecting SAS to Nassau. Its smarter to do a IRT Utica line because the demand for a Utica Av Line is not in Bed-Stuy and Williamsburg, but in East Flatbush, Flatlands, and Mill Basin. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. Have it dip underground just long enough to have its platforms below the 18 Ave station (dont want to add any elevated curves) and then rise up for Ditmas whose support structure was designed for four tracks. In 2015 Mayor Bill de Blasio even proposed bringing the line back and supposedly the MTA has been studying the plan since. 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I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 Is it correct that Culver has connections in place for the 8th Ave line? There are also some windows in this level. [15] The underground portion of the line became known as the Eastern Parkway Line, or Route 12, while the elevated portion became known as the New Lots Line. It has to go BWY7 which means local tracks in Brooklyn. Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. These technological limitations were shortly overcome and the only IRT line that doesnt use part of this original line is the 7 which is limited by the Steinway Tunnel. 3 trains dont go to Brooklyn late nights. And normal service would still be able to run. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. The two street stairs here lead to either mall of Eastern Parkway west of Utica Avenue. So feeding more traffic into LEX which is so crowded while it actually misses the work destinations for most of these new riders might not be the best way to go. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. But can a three way switch be built between Nostrand, President, and Franklin? [22] This is the easternmost underground and four-track subway station on the Eastern Parkway Line; to the east (railroad south) of here, the local tracks rises and become the IRT New Lots Line, while the express tracks end at bumper blocks just under Ralph Avenue. But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. . Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in BedfordStuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. 10. By the way Vanschnooken, I really like your operations-focused outlook; I like that you used your custom track map as a base for all of the ideas you proposed, since tweaking your operations is usually a lot cheaper and effective in the long run. Split track areas. Now we reach Utica Ave. The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. que mangent les gendarmes insectes. proposal for a subway stretch closer in on Jamaica Ave. 6. And another commenter hit upon phasing. The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. And reworking Lafayette/Atlantic and Montague is all extra card shuffling that wont help Utica Ave riders anymore when they could just take the IRT express AS IS and be done with it. On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. A hybrid of 1 and 6: The el is still over roadway Re: your Second Avenue plans and connecting to the Queens Blvd Line; those concerns are only salient if you assume the Queens Blvd Bypass is never going to happen. [10] The unfinished upper level station was to be built for a subway line down Utica Avenue as part of the IND Second System.[11]. [16], The IRT Eastern Parkway Line was built as part of Route 12 from 1915 to 1918. Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. Lest I bring on comparisons to Robert Moses I would like to point out that on the western side of Utica Ave, from the Bay Ridge Line to Flatbush Ave, there are exactly 9 residential buildings. The school, at Avenue J can very easily be replaced using the existing parking lot across the street. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. If you check out the MTA report I sourced for the Rogers Junction rebuild you can see the two options. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Besides, with Utica so far out it would be much better service to have express trains rather than a longer local train. South of Kings Highway, due to the aforementioned geological issues, the line would have to be elevated. Touring: F train to East Broadway. So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. Skip stop on Fulton? The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. The station's two exits are located at either end. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. But thats not necessarily for the bad. One of the main reasons that the City wanted to build the IND was to replace the existing elevated lines which were old, slow, and unpopular as they cast streets in shadow and soot. 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