357 magnum vs 30 06
N-Frame. The .357s handgun ballistics are impressive indeed, but how much more impressive does it get from an extra fourteen inches of barrel? Watch out! Thanks,Tad. weight of the Python ideal for stabilizing the recoil of the .357 Magnum. .30-30 is better at deer hunting. And the 2&1/2 barrel version is considered by myself and many knowledgeable handguners to be the best all round snub nose .357 ever. All winds up one smooth, muscle-memorized motion if, God forbid, I ever had to use that skill in a defensive situation.) They could carry one caliber for two weapons. It is a stainless-steel handgun and is in the "S&W", L-Frame Again, do we have to state so emphatically, that the list is the opinion of the author. It is a stainless steel N large-frame revolver with a 4-inch custom underlug barrel. Many are used for deer hunting now days.. Get Our Top Shooting Drills and Zeroing Targets ($47 value - but FREE for a limited time). Easily a thousand through it. Kinda want to try out some of the underwood extreme defender loadings from rifle length but going to be a bit until the next gun for the family. Also, glad you at least mentioned Taurus even though they didn't make the list. For protection I carry a S&W model 65 with a 3" barrel. Allmost every round through them have been full house 357 Mag. Actually its a pretty simple takedown compared to field stripping some handguns in my opinion. A .30-06 pushing the same bullet would produce closer to 3,000 ft-lbs. The 15-2 is still available on the used market and at a reasonable price. They are very sturdy guns, on the heavy side, which I like (I'd say "have a nice weight to them,") good (albeit very basic, and fixed) sights.I find myself just as if not more accurate with my aptly-named Windicator than any gun of it's size, and more than any standard polymer 9mm/.40cal. A great all-around handgun cartridge, but a poor choice for deer rifles, since the much more capable .30-30 can be had in rifles similar to those chambered for the .357 Mag. If you shot revolvers, you have a favorite so everyone is right! On the plus side, these guns can handle large amounts of heavily loaded .357 Magnum ammunition. Not sure if the Python can match it for distance. We see a similar result in 125-grain Gold Dot HP from Speer. n-110 has a burn rate on the chart similar to h110 or lilgun which is about as slow as you can go in the caliber. Want a 357 carbine but dont want to pay $800 to $900. You left out the very best .357 Magnum revolver: the Smith and Wesson 686 plus. 1500 fps Corbin 200 grain HP and 1000 fps Silvertips. They are amazing guns. I love mine! 350 Legend, which is a poseur, put another nail in the coffin lid. Compare. .357 S&W Magnum. And it retains more of it downrange. Both triggers are comparable. The GP-100, Redhawk, and SP-101 would later follow. Their prices are still reasonable, but they are starting to climb, as the name start to get respected again. BTW, I have the SS 6-shot models in 4" and 6", and find both to be superb handling, practically indestructable revolvers. Steel is a little heavier, and better controls .357 Magnums recoil. While I own a number of different pistols, I love my revolvers for their simplicity, reliability, and accuracy. The .308 has a slight accuracy advantage, while the .30-06 can be modified to rival the power of some magnum loads. Thank you. Then you are obligated to consider all the magnum revolvers in and out of production. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrxHjX7eWo. Bought a GP100 Match Champion. The Kimber is also cold weather CC. Alright ladies and gents. I want a levergun in .357 mag so bad, Im waiting for a production lever gun in .357 Max, got money on the table. After about 8 theres nothing left to gain from any longer barrel in 9mm. Reliable. is a great cartridge. The DA trigger pull was silky smooth. Might need to get rid of it because of hand issues. What the hell is that!!Usually so,meone else answer s for me. Both Models 66 and 19 are now being produced again, capable of handling hot 357 loads. Now what should we compare it to. Aside from being much more powerful, the .357 Magnum round also needed a 1/8-inch longer case to hold more gunpowder. Ruger also manufactures .357 Magnum revolvers, including the Blackhawk and the Vaquero. A little game where each player hits the soda can while its still moving. the trapper does not have the hoop lever. I enjoyed reading y'all's comment. You get most of the oomph of 357, but can still conceal easily. It shoots both .38. Not to mention, the gun is devilishly handsome. I own a Ruger Blackhawk 61/2 stainless,, a S&w model 19-4,, and have sold off the two snubby .357s I dont really miss the EAA,, but wished I wouldnt have sold my Taurus 606 to my cousin. That's with 357 mag ammo. In the end, I decided against it, but I was glad to have learned more about this complex and controversial topic. But many reviewers pass over the facts that the earlier Security-Six also was incredibly sturdy, plus it was lighter. It's also great looking gun. and (Speed Six in Stainless). Winchester 1894 is a classic well enough and when I had a young mans eyes I did alright with a Williams peep on the receiver, carefully made reloads of my own in .30-30 out to 100 yards freestanding. 30-06 Springfield 30-30 Winchester.308 Winchester 338 Lapua Magnum 5.56x45mm NATO 5.7x28mm 6mm Creedmoor 6.5 Creedmoor 6.5 Grendel 7.62x51mm NATO 7.62x39 Rimfire Ammo 17 HMR 22 Long Rifle That is why I love this combination caliber. But the companys first .357 Magnum revolvers wouldnt show up until 1934. Model 627 Pro in .357 Magnum. I did take it in to get cleaned up , but it runs very well . . the 94 shown, like mine, is a wrangler. Smith and Wesson 629-6, 4 inch barrel and a Winchester 1892 with a 20 inch barrel. While these guns are powerful, their large size and heavy weight make them harder to conceal. i like my Tarus 357 mag with a 4inch barrel .it might be some cheaper but it handles good and its accurate. .357s are more suitable for rifles than non magnum rounds since they use slower burning pistol powders than say 9mm. But not a lot of them in brush killing much. All the Revolvers you listed are excellent but you left out one of the best 357 Mag. I shoot exclusively reloads now, but 357 or 38spc both run excellent in it. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The .308 has less of a recoil, but the .30-06 has more stopping power. But I have an AR-15 in the next corner just in case. I was also interested to learn about the different types of ammunition that are available. CRAZY! I love me a Glock / AR combo, but if I could have only one set for the rest of my life, itd be a wheelgun/carbine set in .44 Mag (first choice) or .357 Mag (second option). Youd be better off with a rifle caliber rifle so you at least couldnt get your ammo mixed up. Your article states the S&W K frame is obsolete. K comp is by far my favorite 357mag..Colt Python has become to crazy to purchase..$$$$$$. When and if I get some of these to test Ill post the results, but for big game Id still rather have a .30-30. This load is equivalent to a .38 Special +P. ), it looks just like a Colt .357 Magnum Python and it comes in 2inch and 4inch, not 6 as you stated. Additionally, the .327 Magnum revolver will not only be easier to shoot faster and more accurately, but it will also hold . Type your new password and hit button below to confirm it. I've owned and shot all. Check out our review of the King Cobra or view what others think about the Cobra over on our Pew Pew Meter Page! Looking at published velocity numbers from much longer test barrels, we see that cutting a .30-30 barrel down to the legal-minimum 16.5 doesnt inflict a debilitating penalty to velocity or energy. Slightly less recoil and significantly greater savings gives this round to the .25-06 Remington. Flexibility and dead on accuracy in one package. So a bullet as small as .3540" would still be in spec. You must not have fired the Taurus Tracker. The 27-2 is very nice. More barrel affords me a balance I am very accustomed to. If money isn't an object, this is the best. We already have an account registered for email address Effective. My daughter liked it and now she is downright deadly with it. You want J frame size 6 shots get a Kimber K6S they are excellent out of the box, You didnt even mention the model 19? Hand-Picked Daily GUN DEALS, and Exclusive Coupons Codes >>>. I dont have anything else but I think thats enough to get it done. With the Ruger, I once took on a guy with an AK47 at 50 yards playing kick the can. This post was originally published in 2011. Proven. No, the case was made longer to prevent loading in a 38 special. I have the 3" barrel and the DASA model. While both rounds work well for self-defense, the 357 Magnum kicks ass in the realm of hunting. Can you recommend me the best bullets to choose for precision. With 125-grain handloads, the revolver averaged an even 1300 feet per second and 469 pound-feet of energy, while the carbine delivered 1937 fps and 1041 lb-ft. Thats a 49 percent velocity increase and a 122 percent increase in energy from the same cartridge. How substantial? You have to spend a ton more money to get a slightly better revolver! And the Ruger GP100 7-shot with 4 barrel. The S&B 158-grain JSPs gave carbine numbers of 1451 fps and 739 lb-ft, but the chrono battery died before we could measure them from the revolver. Hey Marty, there's almost no kydex options so you'll probably have to go with leather. i wondered why he did put the 327 performance center on here 627 comes in and the performance center also. 200 yards is really the only accuracy I'm looking for. Good to know. It really holds it's own when compared to the the big boys (Colt/S&W). Hunting distances will be well inside 150 yards. If price is of no concern nor is nationality, how could the Rhino be left out? Probably, the better compromise is a bullet that holds together at rifle velocity even though it will be just a solid slug at revolver velocity. For target practice, I still recommend using .38 Special ammo to save money. That was the only issue I've ever had. Beautiful gun and nice action but shooting heavy loads one handed makes my hand slide up the back. It's easy to build muscle memory of draw, clear, finger on trigger, pull hammer and then trigger, repeat. Best accuracy in real 357 loadings (much of todays 357 is anemic) is with 140+ grain bullets. I loaded it myself using 180 grain bullets and Hodgkins h110 powder. Be sure to read all about the K6s in our review! I own a Taurus model 608 stainless 8 Shot .357 magnum 4 inch barrel. It handles .357 Magnum ammunition very well, and you will feel little recoil when firing. Check out wide collections of casual sneakers for men online on monkstory. Check Sturm, Ruger & Co.'s website for GP100 serial number dates that indicate S/N 170-00001 (1st Issue) was first "shipped" in 1986. For uses other than big-game hunting, .357 Magnum carbines have other benefits which have nothing to do with ballistics. Certainly some classic model revolvers mentioned. *to be pedantic, Americans people often pronounce "Windicator" as intuitively spelled for us "WIN"-dicator; but being a German gun, it's pronounced "VIN-dicator", same as the English word "vindicate." It comes factory-tuned from S&W with a few extra features like a fiber-optic front sight and an even smoother trigger. The EAA Windicator* .38/.357 magnum from European American Armoury is an excellent choice not mentioned here.especially for those on a bit of a budget. The .357 has a longer case than 10mm, but 10mm Auto has a larger diameter. Yes, the 357 really comes alive out of a rifle. Anything further is just gravy. But if any of y'all out there got a long barrel 357 Smith I sure would like to find one. The 357 Magnum and Colt Python revolver partnership is legendary in target competition with ragged one-hole results, at 50-yards . GP100 .357 Magnum #1702 Details. And I like that some loads, like Buffalo Bore 180 grain equals or surpasses standard.30-30 loads under 200 or so yards. The results are: . All in all, its an excellent concealed-carry revolver if you want a lot of firepower in a small package. That was my first gun. Preferably the 3" Wiley Clapp version. All in all, apart from the inherently higher quality that you get with S&W and Ruger, the Windy is pretty much equal to any gun on this list when it comes down to all practical purposes and I'm quite fond of it. Another advantageyou can choose to load this gun using an 8-round moon clip. This revolver tames the recoil with even the heaviest loads. I find .30-30 at Wally World for $14 a box, which I have to admit, is dandy all things considered. There are three revolvers types in this series Chiefs Special, original Bodyguard, and the Centennial. I bought mine new in 1974 (I think it was in '74) and still haven't shot any that I like as well. I have one, 6 inch barrel, don't shoot with my Dan Wesson that also has a 6 inch barrel. That's it. I think it was for their 50 year of operation. This gun is FABULOUS! The Python also has a ventilated top rib and a full underlug to protect the ejection rod. The first of the 'Magnum' pistol cartridges, it was a big hit. I would love to put a python in your hand for a spin at the range you wound need a roll of paper towels after making a mess in your trousers. They are in similar With 38's it's like shooting a 22. Think big Magnaports and alot of fun lol. Colt Lawman Mark III I just still don't understand why they are suddenly worth so much money. Always has been. Both shoot very well. Specifically, the 7mm Rem Mag has about 2-4% more muzzle energy than the .30-06 with these three particular loads. I prefer the 4-inch underlug barrel, adjustable rear sight, and ramp front sight. Re: 357 vs 44 mag vs 44-40 popularity in lever guns . Lucky to see light of day once a year. My longest shot was approximately 123 yard shooting a souped up Hornady xtp round. Developed for use by French police and Special Weapons and Tactics units and fielded by the French GIGN, the accuracy and durability of this revolver are legendary. This would place it in the middle of the pack for .30-30 ballistics, at least within 100 yards, at a cost about equal to premium .30-30 ammo. it is indeed a great lil gun for the money. They have a snub nosed (2in) and full sized (6in) revolvers. One also must consider whether today's .357 Magnum revolvers are as good as or worse than the giants upon whose shoulders they stand. The Winchester Trapper, with its slightly shorter barrel, gave us the following numbers with .30-30 ammo: With the loads we tested, the extra barrel length of the .357 carbine paid handsome dividends. I keep my .30-30 loaded with Federal 125gr. Gotta love 357 in a good frame! If you are referring to police work they all are obsolete. As with the small frame revolvers, I prefer DA/SA trigger action and stainless steel. With 9mm there's barely any detectable recoil. Now then, you throw the same loadings into a 16 AR9 theres a 140fps margin in favor of the Blue Dot! But they are also famous for shotguns and the .357 Magnum DA/SA, DA only, and SA Revolvers. Kinber revolvers from now on for me. The Remington website lists their 170-grain .30-30 at 2200 fps and 1827 lb-ft, and the shorty Trapper averaged a real-life 1986 fps and 1489 lb-ft: thats less than a 10 percent velocity penalty and an 18 percent energy penalty. Only test fired the Python as it is in pristine condition. It become at first added in 1906, and was at the start used inside the United States Army. Tested. Clean and mean. In all the times I have been deer hunting, I can hardly remember hearing the gun go offand that is a full power 30-06 with no ear muffs. If I had younger eyes, I could push the distance further. Too funny! It comes in both Stainless and Blue PVD and has a seven round cylinder. You can swap them in a matter of seconds. You do not pay For the most part, handgun calibers are either 9, 10, 11, or 12mm. both good weapons.I have a 686 with a 4 barrels.I have had it close to 30 years,and still love it.Even today when I unlimber it at the range with full power a,MMO the range ,someone is bound to come up,and say I personally have a 6" blued Python, circa 1978, that is new-in-box, never fired, and have no intention of firing it. I own 2 S&W Mod. The .25-06 costs less, too. The Vaquero is a retro-style revolver that was made for cowboy action shooting fans and looks like the old Colt Single Action Army Revolver of 1873. Try one! There are only three major differences between the .270 Win and the 30-06, the bullet diameter each cartridge fires, their neck diameter, and the SAMMI max pressure rating. But I live in a state with unrestricted open and concealed carry, so YMMV.) Practice with light .357 Magnum ammunition to simulate heavier loads. Through our .357s we fired the following loads: It wont be a surprise that an 18 carbine delivers substantially higher velocities than a 4 revolver firing the same cartridge. We normally include at least one high-end option, partly for perspective and partly because they are nice to look at. I read this article back in 2011 as a mostly uninformed firearms novice and new owner of a Marlin .30-30, and learned quite a bit from it. you a link to reset your password. At 200 yards, the 30-30 bullet's energy has dropped to about 1,000 ft-lbs. The .357 Magnum cartridge is a revolver round with a .357-inch bullet diameter. I have an old model 19 and just recently started shooting again. You will get better accuracy in rapid-fire on the second and third shots. Considering on getting a GP100, but I'll never intentionally part with my security 6. My favorite is a Colt Trooper Mk III - 6" that I've had since 1968. Sold me on the only .357 mag ammo available at the LGS at the time; 180gr Remington SJHP. But it can be argued that the gun the GP-100 was derived from, the Security-Six, was a vastly superior gun. Considering the diverse ammunition loads available, it is easy to find one that works for you. My favorite is the 686! I think either 357 or 30-30 is a great utility rifle. The velocity was within about 5 FPS on a 5 shot average. . "Larger the wound channel is. Haha. and hunt with a 8" Dan Wesson. When I hear .357 Magnum, I immediately think, "COLT PYTHON"!!! The 2.25-inch and 3-inch models offer synthetic black grips, front ramp sight, and fixed rear sight. In fact I ordered 2 S&W 640 Pro series revolvers but did not take possession of one of them because it kept locking/jamming up while cycling PLUS the cylinder HAD TO BE FORCED OPEN! You Pew-Pew guys(and gals) are doing a great job. Back in the day, it was, by far, the absolute best out-of-the-box revolver on the marketPERIOD!! 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